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  1. AsherPat at |

    “Palestinian boys demonstrating in Silwan”?

    Journalism, at least in the modern world, is about telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Based on the widely available (even embedded in your article, Mr. Munayyer) it is clear that the boys were not “demonstrating”. Definition of a “demonstration” in dictionary.com is:

    “a public exhibition of the attitude of a group of persons toward a controversial issue, or other matter, made by picketing, parading, etc.”

    Throwing stones on a car is neither “picketing” nor “parading”.

    So, no “truth” here.

    There is no “whole truth” here either, because you should have presented the photograph taken a second before the collision, where it is clear that the both Arab boys RUN TOWARDS the car with substantial rocks in their hands and on the left side of the picture (right from the point of view of the driver) there are two smaller kids, one of whom (in bright blue shirt and unmasked) is not more than 7 years old.

    So what has really happened in Silwan on Friday?

    Well, it was clearly a pre-planned ambush for any car with a Jew in it. How do we know that?

    1. The location – behind a bend, where the driver does not see the attackers in time; We also can see automotive glass pieces strewn on the tarmac (zoom closely onto the zebra crossing) a sign of previous attacks on passing vehicles;
    2. The presence of so many photographers, in the middle of nowhere – they knew what was going to happen;
    3. The light-brown car behind the Jewish car acts to block the retreat of the intended victim. In fact, if you zoom into one of the pictures, the front passenger of that car appears to hold something that looks like a video-cam, perhaps filming the attack.
    4. The boys have their face-covers on and it seems that they are forewarned that the “right” car is approaching (the light brown “escape blocking” car’s passenger telephone calling?)

    So, this is a clear pre-planned attack and your article, Mr. Munayyer, does not tell the “whole truth”, not even close, for example, that the Jewish car was attacked with stones, at least this. After all, the attack was on the car, the Jew did NOT attack the boys.

    Now, what happened? The Jewish driver, realised that he is in an ambush when his eyes saw the large number of hooded rioters with rocks. He has his own son in the car, and all he wants is to get away. Rightly or wrongly, he swerves to his left, perhaps to avoid the really small child (blue shirt) and hits two of the most brazen attackers, BOTH of whom are vigorously RUNNING TOWARDS the nose of the car without even trying to avoid its nose and holding big rocks (not “pebbles”).

    The above is clear to everyone who watches the video clip embedded in your article, Mr. Munayyer.

    After the collision the car is pelted with huge rocks that break the hardened window of vehicle.

    So that is what happened. No “demonstration”, no innocent children, no “attack” on them. Just a pre-planned ambush on a Jew, and if the attackers had their way. it would have ended in a lynch of the Jew.

    Now, Mr. Munayyer, you don’t have to agree with the Jewish settlers of Israel, but as a journalist, you can not present half-picture, or perhaps you are not a journalist? Well, you don’t even have to be a journalist, but if you are an honest man, then you should admit that you are not a journalist, and truth is secondary in your articles to promotion of the destruction of Israel. If you are not an honest man, then do not admit it, nor publish my comment.

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  2. Gilbert at |

    LOL

    how stupid can you be kiddo???
    you run direclty in the midle of the road toward a driving car who swingles while throwing stones?
    and don’t tell me that was an atack… you can hear the guy honking and breaking, even stoping despite being bombarded by the stoners then running off when he gets stoned again.

    to call this a “settler attack”? lame.
    you realy let yourself go this time with this PR farce…

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  3. Terry at |

    The settler leader is a criminal and has nothing to do in Palestinian territories. Period. He also tried to kill that kid with his car. Nothing strange that he got attacked etiher. Ever heard about the fourth Geneva Convention, 49, article 4?

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  4. KB Richard at |

    Many of us in America regularly beg our leaders to stop funding Israels racist war against Palestine. I apologize profusely for our countries responsibility toward the creation of your misery. Future’s history will show the sameness of their regime and one from Germany in the thirties.

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  5. Paul at |

    Its the same old story. You throw stones at an Israeli Settler you get shot with M16 or ran over with a car. The World will end up sorting the Israelis out in the end.

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    AsherPat Reply:

    Paul,

    don’t throw stones, don’t get shor or run-over.

    compromise – get peace, even if you think unfair. Don’t compromise – get eternal war, misery and death.

    But wait, isnt it the Muslims that belabour to remind the rest of the world that they love death more than we, the Westerners love life? Dont be surprised then…

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    Paul Reply:

    How on Earth do you think i am surprized at normal Settler reactions to Palestinians. At 50 Yrs old i have seen alot of your peoples abuse toward them. Maybe hes lucky he didnt get shot in eye socket then. thats normal. you people are sick…

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    Israel Muse Reply:

    Hate to break the news to you buddy but this has nothing to do with “settlers” – this is a situation that not even you could avoid but obviously you live in a bubble and have never experienced life like this before, you only criticize everything from a million miles away without even knowing the full story… This driver is not a settler by the way! Time to get off your ass and come visit our country, see what we are really up against, and when the first rock hits you in the head then hopefully you will be singing a different tune because they will not hesitate to knock you out if they have any chance!

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  6. Israel Muse at |

    I cannot believe that people actually believe these kids were just parading, when you can clearly see they are not and if you were the driver who was suddenly surprised by people running at you with stones or rocks that can kill you (in case you didnt know), how would you react?

    The fact that he stopped his car after the shock of hitting them unvoluntarily is also enough proof for you blinded idiots – then what, is he supposed to stick around while they murder him in his car with rocks? Anyone would drive away…

    This is not Palestinian territory to whoever above said it is, this is Jerusalem which is part of Israel and he was leaving his home at the time…

    You people who pretend these kids are innocent are either truly blind or deliberately saying these things just because you hate Israel – even if the kid had a rocket launcher, you would still say the kid is innocent and the driver who didnt even know what was coming is guilty, get a life really!!

    Watch this slowed down analogy of what happened if you think you are so right about what you say…

    You people are pathetic!

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    Paul Reply:

    You IDF and Settler Trolls are pathetic!

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    Israel Muse Reply:

    Yeh, everyone is a troll when not in agreement with your kind hey?

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    Paul Reply:

    Lucky 4 the BOYS with rocks they had cameras around hey. Otherwise the “Settler Leader” would of used his M16….

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  7. Paul Winter at |

    The ambush of an Israeli who is involved in exposing Arab illegal building in Sylvan, a part of Jerusalem, shows a number of things. The abuse of children by Arabs for propaganda purposes. The media being involved in the attack. And the pretend injuries of the rock throwing child as he is roughly, but with great dramatic concern, with bandages where he was not injured, being shoved into a car. A video six minute video of the incident additionally shows: the attacked car being closely followed to block a retreat and the ambush taking place on a curve where a truck had been parked to block the view of the ambush. It also revealed that the driver had his small son in the car. Palywood is an arm of aggressors who talk peace in English and war in Arabic. People who want to deny Jewish self-determination more than they want a state for themselves.

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  8. pete at |

    I am certainly no fan of zionist Israel but i think in this case you are dead wrong. The driver did slow down after he hit the kid & did not try to harm him further. When he saw a bunch of other kids coming towards him he got the hell out of there. You are not helping your cause which I support 110% by putting incidents like this up.If he had backed up & then tried to run over the kid i would agree with you. If i saw a bunch of teenager running towards my car with rocks poised to throw at me i would drive away quickly if i could, if not i would probably run them over. The young man being only 7 yrs old, no i could not do that. By the way i live in Chicago IL. where motorists are frequently attackes.

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  9. Terry at |

    See how the hasbarist Israeli Muse arrives to try to defend an illegal settler leader and a war criminal. Any Zionist that builds illegally on Palestinian territory is at risk being killed. It’f rightful resistance to an illegal occupation. In this case stones were throwed and its perfectly understandable. Settlers like that in the car destroy Palestinian lives on a daily basis by stealing land, water resources and demolishing homes. It’s completely against international law for a a state that occupies to move citizens into occupied territories. Since Israel subsidies such activities, its a criminal state.

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    AsherPat Reply:

    @Terry,

    the discussion here is not about the legality of settlements or the Arab “resistance”.

    It is about this particular incident and the way Mr, Munayyer presented it in his article above (which is, by the way, how almost everybody else did in the Arab world). Indeed, this incident is a good example of Pallywood (wikipedia it) – a staged event (see the number of snappers waiting for it) to frame Israel, which in this case did NOT work. How can I tell this? Just like in the case of the Lebanese exchange of fire in the summer, the international press, that enjoys to pick in Israel’s wounds, when it gets the smallest possibility (see Mabhuh death, etc) fell silent when it clearly emerged that Israel was in the right. And in this case also, silence, you will not find anymore indignant op-eds, commentaries about this incident, after all, Guardian and NYT do not want anyone to know about Pallywood.

    But in any case, your argumentation is self-defeating, for if it is legitimate for the Arab boys to stone a person in the car, it is also legitimate for the man in the car to resist it. If it is legitimate for Arabs to intentionally kill civilians, including children and pregnant women, surely it is legitimate for Israel to defend itself in anyway they choose, including instances where Arab civilians get hurt. Or you have a different kind of logic?

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    Paul Reply:

    You @AsherPat should stop trying to justify what cannot be Justified.

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    Terry Reply:

    Of course it is about the flouting of international law and resistance to an illegal occupation. Is it hard to understand what I have clearly laid out? The settler is part of a a criminal venture that confiscates land, demolishes homes, mistreats , imprisons and kill Palestinians on a daily basis, steals water resources, puts up road blocks that inhibits movement of Palestinians on their own land, etc. What is it that you don’t understand? You turn reality on its head as all your fellow hasbarists do. The Israelis are the ones committing the atrocities. What do you expect the oppressed to do? Lie on their backs and do nothing? They can’t even demonstrate peacefully without being obstruct by violence. Your propaganda is futile.

    The guy in the car, David Be’eri, a criminal illegal settler leader of the right wing group Elad (read terrorist), is known to steal land and sell it to Jewish buyers… David Be’eri, an ex-Israeli commando who used to disguise himself as an Arab for undercover missions in the Palestinian territories,
    “The organization’s aim is best expressed in a religious website’s 2007 interview with development director Doron Speilman. He gestures toward Silwan, an Arab neighborhood that spills down from the Mount of Olives, and says: “Our goal is to turn all this land you see behind you into Jewish hands. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1957350,00.html

    Is it these types that you spend your time defending?

    More on Elad: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/12/silwan_the_blasting_cap/

    …”Now swallow hard and look at this video from last Friday. The driver of the car is the head of Elad, David Be’eri, who claimed “his life was in danger.” Presumably, an “existential threat,” which required the reassertion of “deterrence.”

    “The kids were probably the same kids who had joined our peaceful demonstration last June; but the neighborhood was recently inflamed by the shooting death by an Elad security guard of Samir Sirhan, a 32-year old father of five. When the city descends into Bosnia-style civil violence, this is how it will start.”

    In addition, the slightly longer version of this clip:

    In the few extra seconds before impact it shows that the road to the settler’s right is open or has 1 kid (blue t-shirt), and the road to his left has 3-4 kids in it. The settler steers left, ie. deliberately into the children.

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  10. peter42y at |

    The boy was not demonstrating. He was running towards the car and he did throw a stone to the windshield. That can be seen in the video that was widely available.

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  11. Israel Muse at |

    LOL I am not defending anyone but of course you would think that because anything logical from our side must be a defense against your so called “settlers”, give me a break please!

    When in an analytical discussion about something, one needs only refer to the obvious proof they have in front of them as well as putting yourself in the drivers shoes as if that was you…

    Even if I was anti-Israel, I would still say the say things because evidence is evidence whether you like Israel or not…

    I would rather be referred to as a logical person with a logical argument than a hasbarist, as you do not even know what a hasbarist is clearly – also it seems you focus more on the fact that I may be a hasbarist or zionist than the actual argument, this only shows me weakness on your behalf.

    Lets stick to the topic as all intellectual and analytical discussions should be done.

    Thanks!

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  12. Freddie at |

    To all the apologists out there…. just try knocking a kid down in a western country like the UK.. and see if at your court trial you can put forward the arguements spewed above as your defence.. The crap some of you are coming out with wouldn’t even be entertained.

    A kid throwing stones at your car is not a valid reason to run him over… never has been… and never will be…

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    asherpat Reply:

    @Freddie,

    Israel is a country of law, as evidence is its Supreme Court thwarts the Govt frequently, even on a charged subject of the Security Fence which was redirected by the instruction of the Supreme Court due to appeals by Arabs. Moreover, despite being rubished by Goldstone, Israel’s legal system is vetted and approved by the British house of Lords and all other modern democratic states.

    And indeed, the Israeli police is investigating the incident, and the drived was released on bail.

    In this case there is a huge body of incontrovertible evidence, although, the practice of the UN HCR flotilla investigating commission is to dismiss any video and photo evidence that contradcits the “activists interviews”, so perhaps the video and photos that show that the boy was hit ON the road will be inadmissible because HE said that he was on the sidewalk?

    And Terry, there is a difference between a kid throws rocks on you from an overhead bridge and flees and a situation when you are surrounded by blood thirsty people who send their children to be maimed so that Israel can be presented in bad light.

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  13. asherpat at |

    OMG, @Terry, your post is so ripe for “fisking”, I can’t keep myself from doing it in TEXT below. I just hope that Mr. Munayyer’s blog will be decent enough to publish a logical argumentation of an opposite position.

    Obviously, you write from your heart, not from your head, but in that, IMHO, you reduce the chances to persuade someone neutral, other than getting the warm feeling of similarly minded people.

    Well, let’s start [THE FISKING, THAT IS].

    1. Terry Reply:
    October 13th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Of course it is about the flouting of international law [HEY TERRY, WHICH INTERNATIONAL LAW HAS THE DRIVER FLOUTED? IF You WANT TO BE LOGICAL, THE FACT THAT (IN YOUR OPINION) ISRAEL “FLOUTS INTERNATIONAL LAW” DOES NOT ALLOW ATTACKING ITS CIVILIANS. TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE IT RIGHT, TERRY, DESPITE PEOPLE LIKE You CLOSING THEIR EYES TO EVERY ATTACK ON ISRAELI CIVVIES] and resistance to an illegal occupation [“ILLEGAL OCCUPATION”? FROM WHOM? WHERE WERE THE RIGHTEOUS ONES WHEN THIS AREA WAS UNDER JORDANIAM CONTROL?]. Is it hard to understand what I have clearly laid out [TERRY, WHAT You LAID OUT WAS “SINCE ISRAEL IS IN THE WRONG, ANY VIAOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED, IS IT NOT?]? The settler is part of a a criminal venture [SO IN YOUR OPINION, THE PALESTINIANS HAVE AN INHERENT RIGHT TO PUNISH PEOPLE WITHOUT TRIAL] that confiscates land, demolishes homes, mistreats , imprisons and kill Palestinians on a daily basis, steals water resources [CHECK BEFORE You FOAM AROUND THE MOUTH, TERRY, ISRAEL IS WITHIN THE AGREEMENTS WITH PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM TOO?], puts up road blocks that inhibits movement of Palestinians on their own land, etc. What is it that you don’t understand [I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS OK FOR PALESTINIANS TO ENDANGER THEIR OWN CHILDREN JUST TO MAKE ISRAEL LOOK BAD IN FRONT OF A SET-UP OF PSEUDO-JOURANLISTS]? You turn reality on its head [PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE WE, HASBARISTS, TURN “REALITY” ON ITS HEAD, “REALITY” IN THE MEANING OF “FACTS”, NOT “INTERPRETATION” AND UNSUBSTANTIATED COMMENTARY? You CAN'T SHOW WHERE WE BRING WRONG FACTS TERRY, THIS IS A FACT] as all your fellow hasbarists do. The Israelis are the ones committing the atrocities [BLOWING-UP A RESTAURANT FULL OF CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN IS NOT AN ATROCITY, TERRY?]. What do you expect the oppressed to do [I WOULD EXPCT THEM TO FIGHT LIKE MEN AGAINST MILITARY PERSONNEL OR COMPROMISE FAILRY]? Lie on their backs and do nothing? They can’t even demonstrate peacefully without being obstruct by violence [PLS SHOW ME WHERE ARABS DEMONSTRATE PEACEFULLY, OR THROWING ROCKS AT A SPEEDING CAR IS “PEACEFUL”?]. Your propaganda is futile.
    The guy in the car, David Be’eri, a criminal illegal settler leader of the right wing group Elad (read terrorist) [TERRORISM, TERRY, IS DEFINED AS VIOLENCE AGAINST CIVILIANS. CAN YOU SHOW THAT BE’ERI USED VIOLENCE AGAINST CVILIANS?], is known to steal land and sell [HOW CAN HE “STEAL” LAND? PERHAPS You ARE JUST TOO ANGRY AND MEAN THAT HE “BUYS” LAND FROM ARABS THEN SELLS IT TO THE JEWS?] it to Jewish buyers… David Be’eri, an ex-Israeli commando who used to disguise himself as an Arab for undercover missions in the Palestinian territories, [OK, WHAT’S WRONG WITH THAT?]

    …”Now swallow hard and look at this video from last Friday. The driver of the car is the head of Elad, David Be’eri, who claimed “his life was in danger.” Presumably, an “existential threat,” which required the reassertion of “deterrence.” REMEMBER THE LYNCH OF SOLDIERS IN RAMALLAH TERRY IN 2001? REMEMBER THE FAMOUS PICTURE OF AN HUMAN ANIMAL STANDING IN FRONT OF A CHEERING MOB, PROUDLY PRESENTING HIS BLOODIED HANDS? WELL, BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT You THINK ABOUT BE’ERI – IF You TRAVELLED WITH YOUR SON AND WAS IN THE SAME SITUATION, WOULD You NOT FEEL “EXISTENTIAL THREAT”? WOULD You THINK THAT NO HARM COULD COME TO You AND YOUR CHILD? ARE You THERE YET, TERRY?
    “The kids were probably the same kids who had joined our peaceful demonstration last June; but the neighborhood was recently inflamed by the shooting death by an Elad security guard of Samir Sirhan, a 32-year old father of five. When the city descends into Bosnia-style civil violence, this is how it will start.”
    In addition, the slightly longer version of this clip:

    In the few extra seconds before impact it shows that the road to the settler’s right is open or has 1 kid (blue t-shirt) [TWO KIDS, TERRY, SEE HERE http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/picture/2010/oct/09/israel-palestinian-clashes#, and the road to his left has 3-4 kids in it [NONE KIDS WHEN HE BEGAN HIS MANEUVRE TO EVADE THE LITTLE KID IN THE BLUE SHIRT, BUT ONCE HE VEERED LEFT, THE TWO MOST BRAZEN KIDS (INSTRUCTED BY THE PHOTOGRAPHERS) RUN STRAIGHT TO THE NOSE OF THE CAR AND ONE OF THEM THROWS A STONE THAT COULD KILL A PERSON AT SPEED. YOUR ASSERTION ABOUT 3-4 KIDS IS DISENGENIOUS, JUST LIKE THE KID THAT WAS INTERVIEWED IN THE HOSPITAL SAID “I WAS ON THE PAVEMENT…” AAHH, PALLYWOOD. The settler steers left, ie. deliberately into the children.

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    Freddie Reply:

    Hey Asherpat… why dont you stop shouting? Calm down, we’re not deaf you know.

    Lots of grabage you’re spewing.. just too much to list.. and frankly I’ve neither the energy not the will to point it all out.

    What I will say is this, you’re on a losing battle. We all know what a ‘scum’ state Israel is. The only people who prance around website, chatrooms, forums etc spewing pro Israeli propaganda are paid agents. Of which you are one. Your comments show all symptoms of a ‘wikipidi-jew’…. you know, flying in face of known facts, without common sense and logic, blant disregard for truth and above all, the jews are the victims no matter how many they murder.

    The only person you’re fooling is yourself… and even then you’re not doing a good job.

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  14. asherpat at |

    Freddie,

    The fact that you hurtle silly insults to me evidence of you losing the argument – and that is not surprising, as my comments are backed by facts and logic. As I already said above, we are not arguing about whether Israel are the good guys or bad guys, rather, we discuss a particular incident, but you are not able to disassociate your self from your hatred and hatred blocks the logic, you know. I can recognise and admit that there are war criminals in Israel – but they are tiny minority and not the policy, despite what I anticipate you will spew.

    As most of Israel bashers, in their impotent hatred, you are throwing insults and unsubstantiated innuendoes, which you guys can not prove using common logic based on UNDISPUTABLE facts for each case separately. Can you prove that I am a “paid agent”? Can you prove that I am Jewish at all?

    If you do not have time to “fisk” all of my arguments, why don’t you try to prove me nonsense on ONE point? Use logic, not just anti-semitic innuendoes or non-sensical and unsubstantiated determinations like “Lots of garbage” or “Your comments…flying in face of known facts, without common sense and logic, blant disregard for truth”. Unmask me, show the world that I talk non-sense – c’mon, aye? Hey it must be easy, no?

    I will be waiting.

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